شیعہ كا عقیدہ تحريف قرآن

[Sabah]

hahahahaa wat aqs siss?y ur attached to the topic?ye to mei bhi puch sakti hun apse..?
Ahl e Tashee aur shia kya hote hain jab apko nhi pata magar information unki zarur share karing siss...funny..
shia aur ahl e tashee dono ek hi hain dear...
To aap tahqeeq kar k thread laga den naa..

Thats not so funny Bahaar!
Islam ki baat hurahe so reply wisely,
aapko khud shia k bare mei kia maloom jho mujhse ilm ki baat ker rahe ho.
her firqe k 100 aur groups bante hain.
den ba den firqe bante ja rahe hain aur loug gumraah hotay ja rahe hain so how can a person will get to know about All of them, yeh to loug ko confuse kerne ki lie hain, musalman gumraah hujae aur bathak jaye, kio apnay group aur firqe ko agay lejane k lie hum ler rahe hain, jub Allah ne seedha rasta dekhaya hain so kio banda khud se ek ahl define ker raha hain,
mujhay aapse yaha pe kessi firqe se related baihuss nai kerni because eska koi faida nai, aur na he mai kessi firqe pe aqaida rakte hu,
aap itna he possissive hurahe hain then just show me a single hadith or verse of quran jho shia ya pir Ahle tashee k bare mei kaha ho, mai ne tu nai padhe aaj tuk jub Quran or hadith mei nai hain so these firqas are nothing for me, I just believe in Allah and his Rasool not in cast and firqas,
Because mujhay Zindagi Allah ne de hain Akhirat mei intercession Allah k rasool (SAW) karenge, koi firqa nai.
I request you k Dear aap firqa ko choray pahlay Islam ko samajhne ki koshish kare pir shayed aapko kessi se bhi apnay Ahl se related baihuss kerne ki zaroorat na paregi.
Islam teach us about unity not enemity.
eske baad mai koi jawab dena zaroori nai samjhte.

 

[The horror]

دین مُلّا فی سبیل اللہ فساد​

 

[~Bahaar~]

Thats not so funny Bahaar!
Islam ki baat hurahe so reply wisely,
aapko khud shia k bare mei kia maloom jho mujhse ilm ki baat ker rahe ho.
her firqe k 100 aur groups bante hain.
den ba den firqe bante ja rahe hain aur loug gumraah hotay ja rahe hain so how can a person will get to know about All of them, yeh to loug ko confuse kerne ki lie hain, musalman gumraah hujae aur bathak jaye, kio apnay group aur firqe ko agay lejane k lie hum ler rahe hain, jub Allah ne seedha rasta dekhaya hain so kio banda khud se ek ahl define ker raha hain,
mujhay aapse yaha pe kessi firqe se related baihuss nai kerni because eska koi faida nai, aur na he mai kessi firqe pe aqaida rakte hu,
aap itna he possissive hurahe hain then just show me a single hadith or verse of quran jho shia ya pir Ahle tashee k bare mei kaha ho, mai ne tu nai padhe aaj tuk jub Quran or hadith mei nai hain so these firqas are nothing for me, I just believe in Allah and his Rasool not in cast and firqas,
Because mujhay Zindagi Allah ne de hain Akhirat mei intercession Allah k rasool (SAW) karenge, koi firqa nai.
I request you k Dear aap firqa ko chor pahlay Islam ko samajhne ki koshish kare pir shayed aapko kessi se bhi apnay Ahl se related baihuss kerne ki zaroorat na parefi.
Islam teach us about unity not enemity.
eske baad mai koi jawab dena zaroori nai samjhte.

Alll iz wellll..............
Meine kab firqay ki baat ki hai...?mohtarma apne hi dusron ko kafir kaha hai..zara parhye apna reply & apne sach kaha k logon ko gumraah karne k liye aisi baten hoti hain firqawariyat...aur ye thread uski ek misaal hai..
No more to say....Meine to apne frst reply me kah hi diya k aur lagayen aise khubsurat threads..
Islam kya hai aur Musalman kon hai ye apko bhi pata hai aur mujhe bhi..aap apni jagah chalen aur mei apni jagah..isme bahes kahan se agayi?

 

[The horror]

dekha abhi dono behanain kesay lar rahi hian or molvi fasad ne daal dia

 

[~Bahaar~]

dekha abhi dono behanain kesay lar rahi hian or molvi fasad ne daal dia

hehehhee....Horror bach k raho ap phir..
shaitan ka kaam hi fasaad bhayi

 

[Hoorain]

pir bhi khud ko kessi na kessi tareeke se Islam k dairay mei tu rakte hain even hum loug shia ko bhi muslim nai kah sakte because voh bhi Quran pe amal nai kerte means they have there own major book which they consider it as a final revelation, as far as I got to know.
aur sunni tu proper muslim ko kahte hain, I know this lekin muslim k lie sewaye musilman ki aur koi naam nai, chahe sunni bhi kio na ho just Muslim he hain.

qadyani kisi tareeqe se khud ko islam k dayre may nhi rakhte sabah sis!

jo insan ,,ALLAH, KHATAM nabuwat(muhammad PBUH k aakhri nabi manna,quran paak ko aakhri kitab manna,,islam ko deen ki takmeel manna ) Yom aakhirat,,AAsmani kitabo,Ambiah Karam(A.S)aur Farishton ko manna ,,in aqayd may se aik bhi aqeede ko jhutlata hay wo islam may dakhil nhi hota..
Qadyani ne khatm-e-nabuwat k aqeede ka inkar kiya hay,,,iski details kisi din dungi aapko INSHA ALLAH..
Qadyani kisi bhi tara Musalman hain hi nhi!
baqi firqa parasti waali baat theek hain ,,Musalman Musalman hay,,friqe sab k khud k paida kardey aur fitne ka bays hain !

 

[Hoorain]

MOJUDa topic pe baqi sab log jitni bhi behas karna chahte hain Plzz Reference k saath karain!
Aik dusre ki ZAat pe koi direct attack na karey..

Without reference Posts ab delete kar di jaayegi!

 

[Jiya.]

JAZAKALLAH KAHIR ...!!​

 

[~Bahaar~]

MOJUDa topic pe baqi sab log jitni bhi behas karna chahte hain Plzz Reference k saath karain!
Aik dusre ki ZAat pe koi direct attack na karey..

Without reference Posts ab delete kar di jaayegi!

Dear Moderator!!!
Agar ap moderation kar hi rahi ho to as per rule hi karo naa?
Ye rules kya aplogon ko members yaad dilayen?
Koi reply without ref delete hoajygi ka elaan to kardiya apne...baja farmaya..
Ye Rules mulaheza farmayen sisss...kya ye TM k rules apki nazron se nahi guzre?
as per Rule kya ye thread ko yahan maujood hoan chahiye tha?

Jo rule TM k banaye hue ahin iske mutabik kisi Firqay ko nishana banakar baat nahi ki jasakti na hi threads lagayi ja sakti hain...
Phir ye thread kaise approve huaa?
Aur agar aplogon k mutabik sahi hai to phir bahes kyun delete hogi?
kitni aisi vedios aur threads hain jo firqawariyat ko hawa deti hain,faasaad ki pairwi karti hain aur baghair ref k maujood hain..kya aplogon ne nishandahi karne k baujood koi action liya?
Ya ye kah den k ye rules srf makhsus logon tak mahdood hain..?

 

[Hoorain]

Dear Moderator!!!
Agar ap moderation kar hi rahi ho to as per rule hi karo naa?
Ye rules kya aplogon ko members yaad dilayen?
Koi reply without ref delete hoajygi ka elaan to kardiya apne...baja farmaya..
Ye Rules mulaheza farmayen sisss...kya ye TM k rules apki nazron se nahi guzre?
as per Rule kya ye thread ko yahan maujood hoan chahiye tha?

Jo rule TM k banaye hue ahin iske mutabik kisi Firqay ko nishana banakar baat nahi ki jasakti na hi threads lagayi ja sakti hain...
Phir ye thread kaise approve huaa?
Aur agar aplogon k mutabik sahi hai to phir bahes kyun delete hogi?
kitni aisi vedios aur threads hain jo firqawariyat ko hawa deti hain,faasaad ki pairwi karti hain aur baghair ref k maujood hain..kya aplogon ne nishandahi karne k baujood koi action liya?
Ya ye kah den k ye rules srf makhsus logon tak mahdood hain..?

first of all bahar sis i'll again like to elaborate the point FREEDOM OF SPEECH! i hope aap ne parha hoga ye point bhi idhar.
BAqi maine yahan kisi ko bhi baat karne se mana nhi kiya WIthout reference baat karne se mana kiya hay!
aap references k saath baat karain i'll never stop u chahe maheeno pe mubni behas ho ok?

n plz call me hoor sis instead of Moderator![DOUBLEPOST=1341644018][/DOUBLEPOST]n Jahan tak aisi videos ya aise thread ki baat ki ja rhi hay,,to jab bhi kisi ne report ki us pe discussion k baad hi behtar step liya ja rha hay,,aur unhi ko madd e nazar rakhte huye Islam sec k rules ko modify kiya gya hay tan k aap sab log apne views ko aasani se bta sakkain,,agar aisa nhi hota to Freedom of Speech ka slogan raise nhi hota yahan!
AAP References se baat kar sakti hain jo bhi karna chahain!

 

[Qalandar]

آج کل عموما جدت بسند طبقہ بین المذاہب میں ہم آہنگی کی بات کرتا ہے اور درس دیتا ہے کہ کسی بھی مذہب کو نشانہ نہ بنایا جائے اس بات میں کوئی شک نہیں اسلام نے ہمیں اسی کا حکم دیا ہے اور اسی کا پابند بنایا ہےلیکن سوال یہ نہیں ہے۔ سوال یہ ہے کہ یہ درس و تدریس کیا صرف مسلمانوں کے لئے ہے۔ کوئی لاریب کتاب قرآن مقدس پر تنقید کرے ، کوئی پیغمبر اسلام ﷺ کی ذات مقدسہ پر براہ راست پر حملہ کرے، کوئی پیغمبر اسلام ﷺ کے جانشین صحابہ کرام ؓ ذات پر تنقید کرے تو کیا مسلمان اپنی بغل میں کتاب چھپا کر سلامتی کی دعائیں مانگتا پھرے؟
نہیں، نہیں ، اسلامی بنیاد پر حملہ کرنے والا کوئی بھی ہو اس کا کسی بھی مذہب یا عقیدے سے تعلق ہو اسے اللہ کی زمین پر رہنے کا کوئی حق نہیں۔ ہاں جو غیر مسلم اسلام کا احترام کرتے ہیں ہم ان سے زیادہ ان سے ان کے مذہب سے ان کے عقائد سے احترام کرتے ہیں ۔
یہی تعلیم ہمیں اسلام نے دی ہے۔​

 

[~Bahaar~]

first of all bahar sis i'll again like to elaborate the point FREEDOM OF SPEECH! i hope aap ne parha hoga ye point bhi idhar.
BAqi maine yahan kisi ko bhi baat karne se mana nhi kiya WIthout reference baat karne se mana kiya hay!
aap references k saath baat karain i'll never stop u chahe maheeno pe mubni behas ho ok?

n plz call me hoor sis instead of Moderator![DOUBLEPOST=1341644018][/DOUBLEPOST]n Jahan tak aisi videos ya aise thread ki baat ki ja rhi hay,,to jab bhi kisi ne report ki us pe discussion k baad hi behtar step liya ja rha hay,,aur unhi ko madd e nazar rakhte huye Islam sec k rules ko modify kiya gya hay tan k aap sab log apne views ko aasani se bta sakkain,,agar aisa nhi hota to Freedom of Speech ka slogan raise nhi hota yahan!
AAP References se baat kar sakti hain jo bhi karna chahain!

waahhh wawoooo...
To phir jo ye 2nd rule hai delete karden yahan se
Kabhi koi srf ek rule follow karo aur dusre bhool jao ye kahin likha hai?
agar freedom of speech hai to iske saath dusre rules marboot na karen...
rahi baat ref k sath to mei kah chuki hun k jo bina ref k jo threads yahan maujood hain point out karne k baad bhi apne kyun delete nahi kii?
Yes aap meri sisss humesha thin aur rahogi...but mei is waqt moderator se hi mukhatib hun..
Aaap is waqt duty p ho

 

[Hoorain]

waahhh wawoooo...
To phir jo ye 2nd rule hai delete karden yahan se
Kabhi koi srf ek rule follow karo aur dusre bhool jao ye kahin likha hai?
agar freedom of speech hai to iske saath dusre rules marboot na karen...
rahi baat ref k sath to mei kah chuki hun k jo bina ref k jo threads yahan maujood hain point out karne k baad bhi apne kyun delete nahi kii?
Yes aap meri sisss humesha thin aur rahogi...but mei is waqt moderator se hi mukhatib hun..
Aaap is waqt duty p ho

duty pe to main 24 hours may se aik second bhi nhi hoti

Ref k baghair konse threads point out kiye aap ne plz aap dubara se report kar sakti hain? main khud unhe delete karungi,,ab tak jitne maine without ref daikhe hain wo delete kiye ja chukke hain ,

Baharu sis i think aap kitni bhi behas karo uska koi faida nhi,,Magar aap apni baat ko Chand points may hi Reference k saath paish karti hain to wo daikhne,sochne aur parhne k liye hogi,,us pe accordingly with ref hi aapko jawab diya jaayega saamne se bhi,,agar wo without ref aggressive ho k sirf khud k aqeede ko defend karne k liye bolain gaye to main unki posts delete karungi,,fairness pe itna to yaqeen hona chhahiye aapko!


Baqi ooper jo warning di maine wo sirf aapko nhi di Is thread may jitne bhi log Sirf khud k zaati khayalat kisi ref k baghair bol rhe thay un sab ko bola hay!

 

[~Bahaar~]

آج کل عموما جدت بسند طبقہ بین المذاہب میں ہم آہنگی کی بات کرتا ہے اور درس دیتا ہے کہ کسی بھی مذہب کو نشانہ نہ بنایا جائے اس بات میں کوئی شک نہیں اسلام نے ہمیں اسی کا حکم دیا ہے اور اسی کا پابند بنایا ہےلیکن سوال یہ نہیں ہے۔ سوال یہ ہے کہ یہ درس و تدریس کیا صرف مسلمانوں کے لئے ہے۔ کوئی لاریب کتاب قرآن مقدس پر تنقید کرے ، کوئی پیغمبر اسلام ﷺ کی ذات مقدسہ پر براہ راست پر حملہ کرے، کوئی پیغمبر اسلام ﷺ کے جانشین صحابہ کرام ؓ ذات پر تنقید کرے تو کیا مسلمان اپنی بغل میں کتاب چھپا کر سلامتی کی دعائیں مانگتا پھرے؟​

نہیں، نہیں ، اسلامی بنیاد پر حملہ کرنے والا کوئی بھی ہو اس کا کسی بھی مذہب یا عقیدے سے تعلق ہو اسے اللہ کی زمین پر رہنے کا کوئی حق نہیں۔ ہاں جو غیر مسلم اسلام کا احترام کرتے ہیں ہم ان سے زیادہ ان سے ان کے مذہب سے ان کے عقائد سے احترام کرتے ہیں ۔​

یہی تعلیم ہمیں اسلام نے دی ہے۔​

Edited by hoorian!
IRrelevant discussion![DOUBLEPOST=1341644987][/DOUBLEPOST]

duty pe to main 24 hours may se aik second bhi nhi hoti

Ref k baghair konse threads point out kiye aap ne plz aap dubara se report kar sakti hain? main khud unhe delete karungi,,ab tak jitne maine without ref daikhe hain wo delete kiye ja chukke hain ,

Baharu sis i think aap kitni bhi behas karo uska koi faida nhi,,Magar aap apni baat ko Chand points may hi Reference k saath paish karti hain to wo daikhne,sochne aur parhne k liye hogi,,us pe accordingly with ref hi aapko jawab diya jaayega saamne se bhi,,agar wo without ref aggressive ho k sirf khud k aqeede ko defend karne k liye bolain gaye to main unki posts delete karungi,,fairness pe itna to yaqeen hona chhahiye aapko!


Baqi ooper jo warning di maine wo sirf aapko nhi di Is thread may jitne bhi log Sirf khud k zaati khayalat kisi ref k baghair bol rhe thay un sab ko bola hay!

meine bhi sabki taraf se hi bola hai sisss...
Aur rahi baat threads ko point out karne ki mei ek baar kar chuki hun...aur abb ap fairness ki baat karti ho to dhunden aap aur action len....insaaf ki bulandi ka muzahera hume bhi karna hai

 

[*Muslim*]

Assalam Aliakum

bht hungama kardia hai karne walu ne, poori koshish chalri thread ku close karane ki good job
my sb se pehle chand ishkalat dur karna chahunga phir step by step fasadi sawalo ke jawabat dunga
agar koi samajta hy ke my kisi fard k khilaf kuch bol raha hu tu wo galat such raha hy aur na hi my ne kisi ke khilaf koi baat ki hai na kisi fard ke na kisi firqe ke is bat ko my sabit karunga abi in shaa Allah

sbr aur tahammul se kaam liya jaye aur zimmedaran se darkhwast hy ke wo bhi is par nazar rakhe aur baat ko wazeh honeden shukria

 

[Hoorain]

Ji Nahi Beshak humko khamosh nhi baithna chahiye..
Laanaten ho Allah ki unpar jinhone Allah k deen me aur Rasool sww ki pairwi na karne ki gustakhi ki ho...lanat hai aise logon par jisne Rasool sww ki baaton ko UNKE hukum ko radd kiya,laanat ho aise logon par jinhone apne maafad k liye Rasool swww ko rulaya,UNKI nafarmani ki UNKI aal k haq ko qasab kiya.....Laanat ho aur ta qayamat parti rahe...Elaahi Ameen[DOUBLEPOST=1341644987][/DOUBLEPOST]
meine bhi sabki taraf se hi bola hai sisss...
Aur rahi baat threads ko point out karne ki mei ek baar kar chuki hun...aur abb ap fairness ki baat karti ho to dhunden aap aur action len....insaaf ki bulandi ka muzahera hume bhi karna hai

theek hay!

 

[Diva]

JazakAllah

mujhe itna ilm nahin k kisi bhi baat per comment karoon .. bus dua karongi k Allah tamam umaat e MOHAMMADYA ko sahi raste per chalne mian madad karein Ameen[DOUBLEPOST=1341648564][/DOUBLEPOST]MERI TAMAM MEMBERS SE GUZARISH HAIN K KHUD K ILAWAAH KISI AUR BANDEY PER COMMENT NA KAREIN .. PHR CHAHIEN WOH KOI BHI KYUN NA HO

KYUNKI KISI BHI BANDE K AMAL US K IMAAN AUR ISKI PRACTICES KO JACHNE PARAKHNE KA HAQ SIRF OR SIRF ALLAH KO HAIN

 

[Ghazal_Ka_Chiragh]

JazakAllah

mujhe itna ilm nahin k kisi bhi baat per comment karoon .. bus dua karongi k Allah tamam umaat e MOHAMMADYA ko sahi raste per chalne mian madad karein Ameen[DOUBLEPOST=1341648564][/DOUBLEPOST]MERI TAMAM MEMBERS SE GUZARISH HAIN K KHUD K ILAWAAH KISI AUR BANDEY PER COMMENT NA KAREIN .. PHR CHAHIEN WOH KOI BHI KYUN NA HO

KYUNKI KISI BHI BANDE K AMAL US K IMAAN AUR ISKI PRACTICES KO JACHNE PARAKHNE KA HAQ SIRF OR SIRF ALLAH KO HAIN

Bilkul hi durust farmaaya life mein pehli dafa Diva ji

khair kisi ke imaan laane ke baad use faasiq ya faajir kehna beshak bohot bura naam hai
(Al Quran)

so is hi liye koi kabhi bhi baat samjhaane ke liye baat karni bhi ho to bina kisi aur ke aqeede
kisi ke zaat kisi ke maslak ko chorh kar aur bina kisi ko theis pohnchaane aur behes karne ke
andaaz ke aap sirf us baat ke saath Quran ki ayat peish karein to ho sakta hai loug aapki baat
bhi samjhein aur jiska soch aapke thread ke khilaf ho woh bhi samajhne ki koshish karega
ya kam az kam kuch nahin kahega iske bar aks agar aap larh jhagar kar baat karna chaahengein
to samajhne waala bhi aapke baat mein koi ghalat nuqta deikh lega . . .

 

[Diva]

Cheerful apki zaban apka haal bayan karahi hai....
Meine lanat na shia p parhi na sunnni p......
lanat k jo mustahq hain unpar parhi hai....apke kaleje p sanp kyun lota ye to ap jano..
aur rahan k ahle tashee k paas kya suboot hai k unke paas srf H.Ali k hawalay hain to mohtaram apse bhi yhi sawaal karti hun k jo aap ahadees apni kisi kitab se lete ho apke paas kya suboot k wo Rasool swww ki hi hain?koi proof?
Hum wahin se rivayat lete hain jo Waris Rasool sww bhi hai waris e Deen bhi hai.aur Deen ka muhafiz bhi hain...Hum unki rivayat lete hain jinko musalman to kya duniya ki koi qaum jhoota qarar nahi de sakti...
Meine wahi to kaha k agar apme himmat hai toh jhutla do Hazrat Ali ko ya Khandan e Risalat Sww k kisi fard ko?
lanat usi p bheji jati hai jo mustahq ho janab...
Humne ap par to lanat nahi bheji jo haqdar ahin unpar bheji hain to apko kyun jalan horahi hai..
Jisne kiya hoga uspar par gayi lanat..Aur parti rahegi humesha
abb apki marzi jipar chahe lanat bhejo a jispar chahe salwat...
Ye to Allah ne nizam bana hi diya hai k Ta Qayamat kispar Salwat parni hai aur kispar Lanat..
Hume kaha na aap alal elaan himmat hai to khandan e Risalath sww k kisi fard p bhejen lanat warna tasleem karen k jo Maula Ali As ne kaha wo haq hai...(jo k aap ta zindagi nahi kar sakte)
Rahi baat references ki to apne khud hi tamam Aiyamma k hawalath aur ref dediye hain abb iske baad bhi koi shak bakhi rahta hai?
Quran me Tahreef karna alag aur Quran se munkir hona alag hai agar ye baat bheja e aqal o danishmd qubool kare...
In Hawalath se kahin ye zahir nahi hota k Shai Kafir hain...
Agar apko kafir kahne ka itna hi shaukh hai to jinse ye rivayeten mansoob hain unko kafir kaho naa..
Isi liye to kaha meine k aap lakeeren bilawajhe peet rahe ho...
Ji ji bilkul aap aise bht sare threads lagayen apko azadi hasil hai..apka kaam yhi hai aur ap bari khush asloobi se anjam derahe ho..
Bakhi rahe apke sawalath k mei kisko manti hun mei kya hun....Ye Topic se related anhi hain...to out of topic baat rule k khilaf hai na ..koi aur thread lagayen mere bare me agar janne ka shauk hai to?]
Aur hum jo lanat bhejte hain wo bhi ref k sath nam ba naam agar yahan shaya kar den to ye TM k ayedkardah rules ki khialfwarzi hogi..kyun k sach sunne ki himmat bari delairi ka kaam hai mausoof aur TM k rules sab par lagoo hote hain...aap na karen ye alag bat hai...

Bahaaro ek request jab bhi aap Huzoor(SAW) ka naam likhien to S A W ya SAWW ko capital main likhein plz

 

[~Bahaar~]

Bahaaro ek request jab bhi aap Huzoor(SAW) ka naam likhien to S A W ya SAWW ko capital main likhein plz

Accha...shayed mujhse gahlti hui...aiynda khyal rakhungi...thanxx 4 pointing me shukrya