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Father of the Nation Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah's achievement as the founder of Pakistan, dominates everything else he did in his long and crowded public life spanning some 42 years. Yet, by any standard, his was an eventful life, his personality multidimensional and his achievements in other fields were many, if not equally great. Indeed, several were the roles he had played with distinction: at one time or another, he was one of the greatest legal luminaries India had produced during the first half of the century, an `ambassador of Hindu-Muslim unity, a great constitutionalist, a distinguished parliamentarian, a top-notch politician, an indefatigable freedom-fighter, a dynamic Muslim leader, a political strategist and, above all one of the great nation-builders of modern times. What, however, makes him so remarkable is the fact that while similar other leaders assumed the leadership of traditionally well-defined nations and espoused their cause, or led them to freedom, he created a nation out of an inchoate and down-trodeen minority and established a cultural and national home for it. And all that within a decase. For over three decades before the successful culmination in 1947, of the Muslim struggle for freedom in the South-Asian subcontinent, Jinnah had provided political leadership to the Indian Muslims: initially as one of the leaders, but later, since 1947, as the only prominent leader- the Quaid-i-Azam. For over thirty years, he had guided their affairs; he had given expression, coherence and direction to their ligitimate aspirations and cherished dreams; he had formulated these into concerete demands; and, above all, he had striven all the while to get them conceded by both the ruling British and the numerous Hindus the dominant segment of India's population. And for over thirty years he had fought, relentlessly and inexorably, for the inherent rights of the Muslims for an honourable existence in the subcontinent. Indeed, his life story constitutes, as it were, the story of the rebirth of the Muslims of the subcontinent and their spectacular rise to nationhood, phoenixlike.



Early Life
Born on December 25, 1876, in a prominent mercantile family in Karachi and educated at the Sindh Madrassat-ul-Islam and the Christian Mission School at his birth place,Jinnah joined the Lincoln's Inn in 1893 to become the youngest Indian to be called to the Bar, three years later. Starting out in the legal profession withknothing to fall back upon except his native ability and determination, young Jinnah rose to prominence and became Bombay's most successful lawyer, as few did, within a few years. Once he was firmly established in the legal profession, Jinnah formally entered politics in 1905 from the platform of the Indian National Congress. He went to England in that year alongwith Gopal Krishna Gokhale (1866-1915), as a member of a Congress delegation to plead the cause of Indian self-governemnt during the British elections. A year later, he served as Secretary to Dadabhai Noaroji (1825-1917), the then Indian National Congress President, which was considered a great honour for a budding politician. Here, at the Calcutta Congress session (December 1906), he also made his first political speech in support of the resolution on self-government.



Political Career
Three years later, in January 1910, Jinnah was elected to the newly-constituted Imperial Legislative Council. All through his parliamentary career, which spanned some four decades, he was probably the most powerful voice in the cause of Indian freedom and Indian rights. Jinnah, who was also the first Indian to pilot a private member's Bill through the Council, soon became a leader of a group inside the legislature. Mr. Montagu (1879-1924), Secretary of State for India, at the close of the First World War, considered Jinnah "perfect mannered, impressive-looking, armed to the teeth with dialecties..."Jinnah, he felt, "is a very clever man, and it is, of course, an outrage that such a man should have no chance of running the affairs of his own country."

For about three decades since his entry into politics in 1906, Jinnah passionately believed in and assiduously worked for Hindu-Muslim unity. Gokhale, the foremost Hindu leader before Gandhi, had once said of him, "He has the true stuff in him and that freedom from all sectarian prejudice which will make him the best ambassador of Hindu-Muslim Unity: And, to be sure, he did become the architect of Hindu-Muslim Unity: he was responsible for the Congress-League Pact of 1916, known popularly as Lucknow Pact- the only pact ever signed between the two political organisations, the Congress and the All-India Muslim League, representing, as they did, the two major communities in the subcontinent."

The Congress-League scheme embodied in this pact was to become the basis for the Montagu-Chemlsford Reforms, also known as the Act of 1919. In retrospect, the Lucknow Pact represented a milestone in the evolution of Indian politics. For one thing, it conceded Muslims the right to separate electorate, reservation of seats in the legislatures and weightage in representation both at the Centre and the minority provinces. Thus, their retention was ensured in the next phase of reforms. For another, it represented a tacit recognition of the All-India Muslim League as the representative organisation of the Muslims, thus strengthening the trend towards Muslim individuality in Indian politics. And to Jinnah goes the credit for all this. Thus, by 1917, Jinnah came to be recognised among both Hindus and Muslims as one of India's most outstanding political leaders. Not only was he prominent in the Congress and the Imperial Legislative Council, he was also the President of the All-India Muslim and that of lthe Bombay Branch of the Home Rule League. More important, because of his key-role in the Congress-League entente at Lucknow, he was hailed as the ambassador, as well as the embodiment, of Hindu-Muslim unity.



Constitutional Struggle
In subsequent years, however, he felt dismayed at the injection of violence into politics. Since Jinnah stood for "ordered progress", moderation, gradualism and constitutionalism, he felt that political terrorism was not the pathway to national liberation but, the dark alley to disaster and destruction. Hence, the constitutionalist Jinnah could not possibly, countenance Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi's novel methods of Satyagrah (civil disobedience) and the triple boycott of government-aided schools and colleges, courts and councils and British textiles. Earlier, in October 1920, when Gandhi, having been elected President of the Home Rule League, sought to change its constitution as well as its nomenclature, Jinnah had resigned from the Home Rule League, saying: "Your extreme programme has for the moment struck the imagination mostly of the inexperienced youth and the ignorant and the illiterate. All this means disorganisation and choas". Jinnah did not believe that ends justified the means.

In the ever-growing frustration among the masses caused by colonial rule, there was ample cause for extremism. But, Gandhi's doctrine of non-cooperation, Jinnah felt, even as Rabindranath Tagore (1861-1941) did also feel, was at best one of negation and despair: it might lead to the building up of resentment, but nothing constructive. Hence, he opposed tooth and nail the tactics adopted by Gandhi to exploit the Khilafat and wrongful tactics in the Punjab in the early twenties. On the eve of its adoption of the Gandhian programme, Jinnah warned the Nagpur Congress Session (1920): "you are making a declaration (of Swaraj within a year) and committing the Indian National Congress to a programme, which you will not be able to carry out". He felt that there was no short-cut to independence and that Gandhi's extra-constitutional methods could only lead to political terrorism, lawlessness and chaos, without bringing India nearer to the threshold of freedom.

The future course of events was not only to confirm Jinnah's worst fears, but also to prove him right. Although Jinnah left the Congress soon thereafter, he continued his efforts towards bringing about a Hindu-Muslim entente, which he rightly considered "the most vital condition of Swaraj". However, because of the deep distrust between the two communities as evidenced by the country-wide communal riots, and because the Hindus failed to meet the genuine demands of the Muslims, his efforts came to naught. One such effort was the formulation of the Delhi Muslim Proposals in March, 1927. In order to bridge Hindu-Muslim differences on the constitutional plan, these proposals even waived the Muslim right to separate electorate, the most basic Muslim demand since 1906, which though recognised by the congress in the Lucknow Pact, had again become a source of friction between the two communities. surprisingly though, the Nehru Report (1928), which represented the Congress-sponsored proposals for the future constitution of India, negated the minimum Muslim demands embodied in the Delhi Muslim Proposals.

In vain did Jinnah argue at the National convention (1928): "What we want is that Hindus and Mussalmans should march together until our object is achieved...These two communities have got to be reconciled and united and made to feel that their interests are common". The Convention's blank refusal to accept Muslim demands represented the most devastating setback to Jinnah's life-long efforts to bring about Hindu-Muslim unity, it meant "the last straw" for the Muslims, and "the parting of the ways" for him, as he confessed to a Parsee friend at that time. Jinnah's disillusionment at the course of politics in the subcontinent prompted him to migrate and settle down in London in the early thirties. He was, however, to return to India in 1934, at the pleadings of his co-religionists, and assume their leadership. But, the Muslims presented a sad spectacle at that time. They were a mass of disgruntled and demoralised men and women, politically disorganised and destitute of a clear-cut political programme.



Muslim League Reorganized
Thus, the task that awaited Jinnah was anything but easy. The Muslim League was dormant: primary branches it had none; even its provincial organizations were, for the most part, ineffective and only nominally under the control of the central organization. Nor did the central body have any coherent policy of its own till the Bombay session (1936), which Jinnah organized. To make matters worse, the provincial scene presented a sort of a jigsaw puzzle: in the Punjab, Bengal, Sindh, the North West Frontier, Assam, Bihar and the United Provinces, various Muslim leaders had set up their own provincial parties to serve their personal ends. Extremely frustrating as the situation was, the only consultation Jinnah had at this juncture was in Allama Iqbal (1877-1938), the poet-philosopher, who stood steadfast by him and helped to charter the course of Indian politics from behind the scene.

Undismayed by this bleak situation, Jinnah devoted himself with singleness of purpose to organizing the Muslims on one platform. He embarked upon country-wide tours. He pleaded with provincial Muslim leaders to sink their differences and make common cause with the League. He exhorted the Muslim masses to organize themselves and join the League. He gave coherence and direction to Muslim sentiments on the Government of India Act, 1935. He advocated that the Federal Scheme should be scrapped as it was subversive of India's cherished goal of complete responsible Government, while the provincial scheme, which conceded provincial autonomy for the first time, should be worked for what it was worth, despite its certain objectionable features. He also formulated a viable League manifesto for the election scheduled for early 1937. He was, it seemed, struggling against time to make Muslim India a power to be reckoned with.

Despite all the manifold odds stacked against it, the Muslim League won some 108 (about 23 per cent) seats out of a total of 485 Muslim seats in the various legislature. Though not very impressive in itself, the League's partial success assumed added significance in view of the fact that the League won the largest number of Muslim seats and that it was the only all-India party of the Muslims in the country. Thus, the elections represented the first milestone on the long road to putting Muslim India on the map of the subcontinent. Congress in Power With the year 1937 opened the most mementoes decade in modern Indian history. In that year came into force the provincial part of the Government of India Act, 1935, granting autonomy to Indians for the first time, in the provinces.

The Congress, having become the dominant party in Indian politics, came to power in seven provinces exclusively, spurning the League's offer of cooperation, turning its back finally on the coalition idea and excluding Muslims as a political entity from the portals of power. In that year, also, the Muslim League, under Jinnah's dynamic leadership, was reorganized de novo, transformed into a mass organization, and made the spokesman of Indian Muslims as never before. Above all, in that momentous year were initiated certain trends in Indian politics, the crystallization of which in subsequent years made the partition of the subcontinent inevitable. The practical manifestation of the policy of the Congress which took office in July, 1937, in seven out of eleven provinces, convinced Muslims that, in the Congress scheme of things, they could live only on sufferance of Hindus and as "second class" citizens. The Congress provincial governments, it may be remembered, had embarked upon a policy and launched a PROGRAMME in which Muslims felt that their religion, language and culture were not safe. This blatantly aggressive Congress policy was seized upon by Jinnah to awaken the Muslims to a new consciousness, organize them on all-India platform, and make them a power to be reckoned with. He also gave coherence, direction and articulation to their innermost, yet vague, urges and aspirations. Above all, the filled them with his indomitable will, his own unflinching faith in their destiny.





The New Awakening
As a result of Jinnah's ceaseless efforts, the Muslims awakened from what Professor Baker calls (their) "unreflective silence" (in which they had so complacently basked for long decades), and to "the spiritual essence of nationality" that had existed among them for a pretty long time. Roused by the impact of successive Congress hammerings, the Muslims, as Ambedkar (principal author of independent India's Constitution) says, "searched their social consciousness in a desperate attempt to find coherent and meaningful articulation to their cherished yearnings. To their great relief, they discovered that their sentiments of nationality had flamed into nationalism". In addition, not only had they developed" the will to live as a "nation", had also endowed them with a territory which they could occupy and make a State as well as a cultural home for the newly discovered nation. These two pre-requisites, as laid down by Renan, provided the Muslims with the intellectual justification for claiming a distinct nationalism (apart from Indian or Hindu nationalism) for themselves. So that when, after their long pause, the Muslims gave expression to their innermost yearnings, these turned out to be in favor of a separate Muslim nationhood and of a separate Muslim state.



Demand for Pakistan
"We are a nation", they claimed in the ever eloquent words of the Quaid-i-Azam- "We are a nation with our own distinctive culture and civilization, language and literature, art and architecture, names and nomenclature, sense of values and proportion, legal laws and moral code, customs and calendar, history and tradition, aptitudes and ambitions; in short, we have our own distinctive outlook on life and of life. By all canons of international law, we are a nation". The formulation of the Muslim demand for Pakistan in 1940 had a tremendous impact on the nature and course of Indian politics. On the one hand, it shattered for ever the Hindu dreams of a pseudo-Indian, in fact, Hindu empire on British exit from India: on the other, it heralded an era of Islamic renaissance and creativity in which the Indian Muslims were to be active participants. The Hindu reaction was quick, bitter, malicious.

Equally hostile were the British to the Muslim demand, their hostility having stemmed from their belief that the unity of India was their main achievement and their foremost contribution. The irony was that both the Hindus and the British had not anticipated the astonishingly tremendous response that the Pakistan demand had elicited from the Muslim masses. Above all, they failed to realize how a hundred million people had suddenly become supremely conscious of their distinct nationhood and their high destiny. In channelling the course of Muslim politics towards Pakistan, no less than in directing it towards its consummation in the establishment of Pakistan in 1947, non played a more decisive role than did Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah. It was his powerful advocacy of the case of Pakistan and his remarkable strategy in the delicate negotiations, that followed the formulation of the Pakistan demand, particularly in the post-war period, that made Pakistan inevitable.

Cripps Scheme
While the British reaction to the Pakistan demand came in the form of the Cripps offer of April, 1942, which conceded the principle of self-determination to provinces on a territorial basis, the Rajaji Formula (called after the eminent Congress leader C.Rajagopalacharia, which became the basis of prolonged Jinnah-Gandhi talks in September, 1944), represented the Congress alternative to Pakistan. The Cripps offer was rejected because it did not concede the Muslim demand the whole way, while the Rajaji Formula was found unacceptable since it offered a "moth-eaten, mutilated" Pakistan and the too appended with a plethora of pre-conditions which made its emergence in any shape remote, if not altogether impossible. Cabinet Mission The most delicate as well as the most tortuous negotiations, however, took place during 1946-47, after the elections which showed that the country was sharply and somewhat evenly divided between two parties- the Congress and the League- and that the central issue in Indian politics was Pakistan.

These negotiations began with the arrival, in March 1946, of a three-member British Cabinet Mission. The crucial task with which the Cabinet Mission was entrusted was that of devising in consultation with the various political parties, a constitution-making machinery, and of setting up a popular interim government. But, because the Congress-League gulf could not be bridged, despite the Mission's (and the Viceroy's) prolonged efforts, the Mission had to make its own proposals in May, 1946. Known as the Cabinet Mission Plan, these proposals stipulated a limited centre, supreme only in foreign affairs, defense and communications and three autonomous groups of provinces. Two of these groups were to have Muslim majorities in the north-west and the north-east of the subcontinent, while the third one, comprising the Indian mainland, was to have a Hindu majority. A consummate statesman that he was, Jinnah saw his chance. He interpreted the clauses relating to a limited centre and the grouping as "the foundation of Pakistan", and induced the Muslim League Council to accept the Plan in June 1946; and this he did much against the calculations of the Congress and to its utter dismay.

Tragically though, the League's acceptance was put down to its supposed weakness and the Congress put up a posture of defiance, designed to swamp the League into submitting to its dictates and its interpretations of the plan. Faced thus, what alternative had Jinnah and the League but to rescind their earlier acceptance, reiterate and reaffirm their original stance, and decide to launch direct action (if need be) to wrest Pakistan. The way Jinnah maneuvered to turn the tide of events at a time when all seemed lost indicated, above all, his masterly grasp of the situation and his adeptness at making strategic and tactical moves. Partition Plan By the close of 1946, the communal riots had flared up to murderous heights, engulfing almost the entire subcontinent. The two peoples, it seemed, were engaged in a fight to the finish. The time for a peaceful transfer of power was fast running out. Realizing the gravity of the situation. His Majesty's Government sent down to India a new Viceroy- Lord Mountbatten. His protracted negotiations with the various political leaders resulted in 3 June.(1947) Plan by which the British decided to partition the subcontinent, and hand over power to two successor States on 15 August, 1947. The plan was duly accepted by the three Indian parties to the dispute- the Congress the League and the Akali Dal (representing the Sikhs).

Leader of a Free Nation
In recognition of his singular contribution, Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah was nominated by the Muslim League as the Governor-General of Pakistan, while the Congress appointed Mountbatten as India's first Governor-General. Pakistan, it has been truly said, was born in virtual chaos. Indeed, few nations in the world have started on their career with less resources and in more treacherous circumstances. The new nation did not inherit a central government, a capital, an administrative core, or an organized defense force. Its social and administrative resources were poor; there was little equipment and still less statistics. The Punjab holocaust had left vast areas in a shambles with communications disrupted. This, along with the en masse migration of the Hindu and Sikh business and managerial classes, left the economy almost shattered.

The treasury was empty, India having denied Pakistan the major share of its cash balances. On top of all this, the still unorganized nation was called upon to feed some eight million refugees who had fled the insecurities and barbarities of the north Indian plains that long, hot summer. If all this was symptomatic of Pakistan's administrative and economic weakness, the Indian annexation, through military action in November 1947, of Junagadh (which had originally acceded to Pakistan) and the Kashmir war over the State's accession (October 1947-December 1948) exposed her military weakness. In the circumstances, therefore, it was nothing short of a miracle that Pakistan survived at all. That it survived and forged ahead was mainly due to one man-Mohammad Ali Jinnah. The nation desperately needed in the person of a charismatic leader at that critical juncture in the nation's history, and he fulfilled that need profoundly. After all, he was more than a mere Governor-General: he was the Quaid-i-Azam who had brought the State into being.

In the ultimate analysis, his very presence at the helm of affairs was responsible for enabling the newly born nation to overcome the terrible crisis on the morrow of its cataclysmic birth. He mustered up the immense prestige and the unquestioning loyalty he commanded among the people to energize them, to raise their morale, land directed the profound feelings of patriotism that the freedom had generated, along constructive channels. Though tired and in poor health, Jinnah yet carried the heaviest part of the burden in that first crucial year. He laid down the policies of the new state, called attention to the immediate problems confronting the nation and told the members of the Constituent Assembly, the civil servants and the Armed Forces what to do and what the nation expected of them. He saw to it that law and order was maintained at all costs, despite the provocation that the large-scale riots in north India had provided. He moved from Karachi to Lahore for a while and supervised the immediate refugee problem in the Punjab. In a time of fierce excitement, he remained sober, cool and steady. He advised his excited audience in Lahore to concentrate on helping the refugees, to avoid retaliation, exercise restraint and protect the minorities. He assured the minorities of a fair deal, assuaged their inured sentiments, and gave them hope and comfort. He toured the various provinces, attended to their particular problems and instilled in the people a sense of belonging. He reversed the British policy in the North-West Frontier and ordered the withdrawal of the troops from the tribal territory of Waziristan, thereby making the Pathans feel themselves an integral part of Pakistan's body-politics. He created a new Ministry of States and Frontier Regions, and assumed responsibility for ushering in a new era in Balochistan. He settled the controversial question of the states of Karachi, secured the accession of States, especially of Kalat which seemed problematical and carried on negotiations with Lord Mountbatten for the settlement of the Kashmir Issue.

The Quaid's last Message
It was, therefore, with a sense of supreme satisfaction at the fulfillment of his mission that Jinnah told the nation in his last message on 14 August, 1948: "The foundations of your State have been laid and it is now for you to build and build as quickly and as well as you can". In accomplishing the task he had taken upon himself on the morrow of Pakistan's birth, Jinnah had worked himself to death, but he had, to quote richard Symons, "contributed more than any other man to Pakistan's survivial". He died on 11 September, 1948. How true was Lord Pethick Lawrence, the former Secretary of State for India, when he said, "Gandhi died by the hands of an assassin; Jinnah died by his devotion to Pakistan".

A man such as Jinnah, who had fought for the inherent rights of his people all through his life and who had taken up the somewhat unconventional and the largely misinterpreted cause of Pakistan, was bound to generate violent opposition and excite implacable hostility and was likely to be largely misunderstood. But what is most remarkable about Jinnah is that he was the recipient of some of the greatest tributes paid to any one in modern times, some of them even from those who held a diametrically opposed viewpoint.

The Aga Khan considered him "the greatest man he ever met", Beverley Nichols, the author of `Verdict on India', called him "the most important man in Asia", and Dr. Kailashnath Katju, the West Bengal Governor in 1948, thought of him as "an outstanding figure of this century not only in India, but in the whole world". While Abdul Rahman Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League, called him "one of the greatest leaders in the Muslim world", the Grand Mufti of Palestine considered his death as a "great loss" to the entire world of Islam. It was, however, given to Surat Chandra Bose, leader of the Forward Bloc wing of the Indian National Congress, to sum up succinctly his personal and political achievements. "Mr Jinnah", he said on his death in 1948, "was great as a lawyer, once great as a Congressman, great as a leader of Muslims, great as a world politician and diplomat, and greatest of all as a man of action, By Mr. Jinnah's passing away, the world has lost one of the greatest statesmen and Pakistan its life-giver, philosopher and guide". Such was Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the man and his mission, such the range of his accomplishments and achievements.










 

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میرے قائد کا یہی نعرہ تھا
پاکستان کا مطلب کیا ۔ ۔ ۔ لاالہ الا اللہ
اللہ کی زمین پر خالص اللہ کی حاکمیت

Quaid was secular person, He isn't some kind of religious guy?. He lived a free life.
 

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Quaid was secular person, He isn't some kind of religious guy?. He lived a free life.
r u kinda insane person?:eek::eek:
first ov tell me, u pakistani or not?????
if u r not PAKISTANI den, yeah v can expect dat frm u dat u hv less knowledge abt our history n alll
but encounter bhai ne kaha k quaid ka naara matlab jo unhon ne hamare pak country ko banate waqt bunyad rakhi thi woh emaan, ettiahd aur tanzeem pe rakhi thi aur pakistan ka matlab yun toh pak sar zameen hai (pakistan= cleanland)
magar isey hamesha yehi kaha jaata hai k pakistan ka matlab hai la ilaha illala.............ek esi pak sar zameen jahan pe ek allah aur us k rasool(S.A.W) k man'ne wale hain
u can say k aaj kal esa kuch khas nazar nai aa ra pak main jo ek islamic country main hona chaiye:(
 
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r u kinda insane person?:eek::eek:
By what calculus you can measure insanity of a Peron.
first ov tell me, u pakistani or not?????
What i should tell, It isn't necessary because knowledge isn't limited to any land?

if u r not PAKISTANI den, yeah v can expect dat frm u dat u hv less knowledge abt our history n alll
So you judge a person's knowledge on base of Pakistan. You prefer Pakistanis because they r knowledgeable but i don't suppose you are right in your observations. Knowledge need no land, I will show you that you have less knowledge even you are Pakistani.
but encounter bhai ne kaha k quaid ka naara matlab jo unhon ne hamare pak country ko banate waqt bunyad rakhi thi woh emaan, ettiahd aur tanzeem pe rakhi thi aur pakistan ka matlab yun toh pak sar zameen hai (pakistan= cleanland)
magar isey hamesha yehi kaha jaata hai k pakistan ka matlab hai la ilaha illala.............ek esi pak sar zameen jahan pe ek allah aur us k rasool(S.A.W) k man'ne wale hain
u can say k aaj kal esa kuch khas nazar nai aa ra pak main jo ek islamic country main hona chaiye:(
Please see the below quote of Quaid, he was not in favor of Divine rule as your brother Encounter has stated.

While this may seem to be an indication that Jinnah wanted a secular state,
The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims — Hindus, Christians, and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan. Broadcast talk to the people of the United States of America on Pakistan recorded February, 1948.
The above red color shows the exact wording of Quid which contradict the statement of your brother "encounter". Qauid was in favor of democratic state not a divine state?. Why you are misquoting Quiad? is this honesty?
 

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Quaid was secular person, He isn't some kind of religious guy?. He lived a free life.
کسی نے سچ کہا ہے کہ جب غلامی کا نشہ رگوں میں پوری طرح سرایت کر جاتا ہے تو آزادی بھی راس نہیں آتی
میرے بھائی سب سے پہلے تو اپنے گلے میں لٹکے اس انگریزی غلامی کا طوق نکال پھر تجھے محسوس ہو گا کہ آزادی کیا ہوتی ہے
میرا سوال ہے
ہمارے لاکھوں مسلمانوں کی قربانی کیا سیکولر ریاست کے لئے دی تھی
کیا ہمارے بچوں کو نیزوں پر اچھالا گیا تھا تو اسی سیکولر ریاست کے لئے
کیا ہماری حاملہ بہنوں کے پیٹ چاک کر دئے گئے اسی سیکولر ریاست کے لئے

کیا تو نے تاریخ پڑھی ہے۔
کیا تو نے ان بہتے لہو کی ندیوں کو دیکھا ہے
کیا تو ان زندہ مسلمانوں کی جسموں پر بھڑکنے والی آگ کو بھول گیا
کیا یہ سب کچھ اسی سیکولر ریاست کے لئے تھا
ہاں سن لے تو پاکستان کو سیکولر کہہ کر ان قربانیوں کی اس لازوال تاریخ سے غداری نہیں کرسکتا
پاکستان دوقومی نظریہ کی بنیاد پر بناہے
اسلام پاکستان کی اساس ہے یہ اس ملک کی تقدیر ہے
پکستان مین سیکولر ریاست کے حامیوں کے لئے کوئی جگہ نہیں
جاؤ غلامی کرو اپنے آقاؤں کی
ضرورت ہے ان کو تم جیسوں غلاموں کی
میرے قائد پر آئندہ یہ الزام نہیں آنا چاہئے
 

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کسی نے سچ کہا ہے کہ جب غلامی کا نشہ رگوں میں پوری طرح سرایت کر جاتا ہے تو آزادی بھی راس نہیں آتی
میرے بھائی سب سے پہلے تو اپنے گلے میں لٹکے اس انگریزی غلامی کا طوق نکال پھر تجھے محسوس ہو گا کہ آزادی کیا ہوتی ہے
میرا سوال ہے
ہمارے لاکھوں مسلمانوں کی قربانی کیا سیکولر ریاست کے لئے دی تھی
کیا ہمارے بچوں کو نیزوں پر اچھالا گیا تھا تو اسی سیکولر ریاست کے لئے
کیا ہماری حاملہ بہنوں کے پیٹ چاک کر دئے گئے اسی سیکولر ریاست کے لئے

کیا تو نے تاریخ پڑھی ہے۔
کیا تو نے ان بہتے لہو کی ندیوں کو دیکھا ہے
کیا تو ان زندہ مسلمانوں کی جسموں پر بھڑکنے والی آگ کو بھول گیا
کیا یہ سب کچھ اسی سیکولر ریاست کے لئے تھا
ہاں سن لے تو پاکستان کو سیکولر کہہ کر ان قربانیوں کی اس لازوال تاریخ سے غداری نہیں کرسکتا
پاکستان دوقومی نظریہ کی بنیاد پر بناہے
اسلام پاکستان کی اساس ہے یہ اس ملک کی تقدیر ہے
پکستان مین سیکولر ریاست کے حامیوں کے لئے کوئی جگہ نہیں
جاؤ غلامی کرو اپنے آقاؤں کی
ضرورت ہے ان کو تم جیسوں غلاموں کی
میرے قائد پر آئندہ یہ الزام نہیں آنا چاہئے
Meray dost Jazbati honay ki koi baat nahi, Ap woh baat keh rahay hain jo Qauid ne nahi ki, Or ap apni baton ko Quiad se Mansoob kar rahay hain, Main ne ap ko Quiad e Azam ki wording dekhai hai, Quid Secular State kay Haq main thay

The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims — Hindus, Christians, and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan. Broadcast talk to the people of the United States of America on Pakistan recorded February, 1948.
Yeh opper quote jo Quid kay alfaz hain jo yeh zahir kar rahay hain kay Quaid, Democratic or Secular State kay Haq main thay. Agar ap ko koi masla hai to Quiad bhai se ja kar pochain kay unno ne yeh statement kyun di, Meray khiyal main ap mazar e quiad pe chalay jaen or Baba Jee se pochain. Main woh baat kar raha hun jo Quiad ne ki or ap sirf apni hi batain kar rahay hain.

On October 11, 1947, in an address to Civil, Naval, Military and Air Force Officers of Pakistan Government, Karachi, he said:
We should have a State in which
we could live and breathe as free men and which we could develop according to our own lights and culture and where principles of Islamic social justice could find free play
میرے قائد پر آئندہ یہ الزام نہیں آنا چاہئے[/COLOR][/SIZE][/CENTER][/QUOTE]

ap khud quiad par illzam laga rahay hain, Aik esi baat jo unno ne ki hi nahi.
Quaid ko bhi Apni Marzi ka bana lia hai, Wah bhai!
 

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میرے دوست مجھے کوئی دس گالیاں دیں میں انشاء اللہ اسے دعائیں دوں گا
لیکن ہاں میں جذباتی ہوں دین اسلام کے لئے ، اپنی تہذیب اور روایات پر اپنی قومی اساس پر
ہمارے ہاں ایک سیکولر حلقہ قائد اعظم محمد علی جناح صاحب کی ایک تقریر کا ایک جملہ لے کر باقی تقریبا ڈیڑھ سو خطابات پر گالب کرنا چاہتا ہے
میرے دوست ذرا غلامی کی چربی آنکھوں سے ہتا کر پاکستان کی تاریخ اس کی جدوجہد اور ا
کابرین پاکستان کی تقریروں پر ٹھنڈے دماغ سے غور کر
میں قائد اعظم کی تقریروں کے چند اقتباسات دے رہا ہوں
ملاحظہ فرمائیں




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these are the lines to be noted,n we as pakistani should agree with it...

mr jinnah assured the non muslim minotiries that if pakistan wa established, they would be treated with fairness, justice and even generosity. this was enjoines upon them by the Quran and this was the lesson of their history had taught them with a few exceptions in which some individuals may have misbehaved"

"you are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this state of pakistan"


is se saaf zahir hai k quaid-e-azam ka paksitan banane ka maksad tha k muslims of india ko bhi respect mile, na k sirf muslim of india ko respect mile cuz unhun ne ye bhi kaha k non muslims ko bhi equaly rights milenge...

or ab hum khud ko dekhein??
apas me janwaro se bhi badter halat hai apas me hi ler rahe hain, tu shia me sunni ye kadiyani wo falana ... n jise dekho apne hi fatwe jari kerdeta hai k falan shaks kafir hai... ye kya hai? mere bhaio apne mulk ko bachao, muhabbat or kholoos dilo me jagao, nafrato ko dilo se duur karo, apas me ler ker ek hissa to alag hogaya? (bangladesh) or kitne hissa kerna chahte ho paksitan k??
WE r ONE NATION,ONE MUSLIM NATION ,PUNJAB-KHYBER PAKHTUN KHWAN-SINDH-BALUCHISTAN-KASHMIR (no matter what language we spoke) ( no matter shia sunni or what ever ) ( no matter hindu chiristian or etc )

hum sab pakistani hain... PAKISTAN PAINDABAD
 
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very nice sharing Nelli, and good reply from Atif and Encounter, well done..

aaj hamen fakhar hai, or sirf or sirf iss wajaah se ke hum Pakistani hain, or yeah tohfa hamaen Quaid ki taraf se mila hai, yeah mulk islam ke naam pe haasil kya gayaa hai, eik aisee azeem tehreek jis ne Quaid-e-Azam ki rahnumai maen woh kuch kya jise log mehez dewanon ka khwab kehte thae, or samajhte the keh yeah in ki kaushish chand dinon ke khud hee thak haar ke baeth jayen ge, laikin ghairon ko kya pataa keh insaani sailaab chaltaa hai to phir chataan bhee khud he rastaa diya karti hai, so yeah wohi koshih or lagan thee keh 14 August 1947 ko bilaakhir Quaid-e-Azam or degar sub ki mehnat rang layi or Pakistan dunya ke naqshay per aik nai or azad riyaasat ke taur pe ubhraa..

Long Live Pakistan, Always

Pakistan Zindabad
 
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میرے دوست مجھے کوئی دس گالیاں دیں میں انشاء اللہ اسے دعائیں دوں گا
لیکن ہاں میں جذباتی ہوں دین اسلام کے لئے ، اپنی تہذیب اور روایات پر اپنی قومی اساس پر
ہمارے ہاں ایک سیکولر حلقہ قائد اعظم محمد علی جناح صاحب کی ایک تقریر کا ایک جملہ لے کر باقی تقریبا ڈیڑھ سو خطابات پر گالب کرنا چاہتا ہے
میرے دوست ذرا غلامی کی چربی آنکھوں سے ہتا کر پاکستان کی تاریخ اس کی جدوجہد اور ا
کابرین پاکستان کی تقریروں پر ٹھنڈے دماغ سے غور کر
میں قائد اعظم کی تقریروں کے چند اقتباسات دے رہا ہوں
ملاحظہ فرمائیں




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It is also very clear quaid was not in favor of theocratic state. Now let me clear you what is theoratic state. Theoctratic state is a form of government in which a state is understood as governed by immediate divine guidance especially a state ruled by clergy, or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided. I don't know why you aren't understanding. Yes he talked about Islam where i deny that. he also talk about Islamic Principles, . Both Iqbal and Quid was in favor spiritual democracy and spiritual secularsim Quaid-e-Azam was different kind of a secularist. He wasn't like westren brand, where values of humanity are completely ignored and politics is outside the pale of morality
The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims — Hindus, Christians, and Parsis — but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan. Broadcast talk to the people of the United States of America on Pakistan recorded February, 1948.

میرے قائد کا یہی نعرہ تھا
پاکستان کا مطلب کیا ۔ ۔ ۔ لاالہ الا اللہ
اللہ کی زمین پر خالص اللہ کی حاکمیت
Main ne ap se behas opper wali baat se shuru ki hai, Quid Azam Theorcy kay khilaf thay or Ap ki opper wali quote theocrcy ko show kar rahi, Ap muje opper wali quote ki refference dain "Zameen par Hakimiyat Allah Ki" agar yeh baat waqai Quid ne ki hai to Quid Dogla insan thay, Aik taraf thoecracy kay khilaf thay or dosri taraf theocracy ka parachar karta thay.
 

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It is also very clear quaid was not in favor of theocratic state. Now let me clear you what is theoratic state. Theoctratic state is a form of government in which a state is understood as governed by immediate divine guidance especially a state ruled by clergy, or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided. I don't know why you aren't understanding. Yes he talked about Islam where i deny that. he also talk about Islamic Principles, . Both Iqbal and Quid was in favor spiritual democracy and spiritual secularsim Quaid-e-Azam was different kind of a secularist. He wasn't like westren brand, where values of humanity are completely ignored and politics is outside the pale of morality



میرے قائد کا یہی نعرہ تھاMain ne ap se behas opper wali baat se shuru ki hai, Quid Azam Theorcy kay khilaf thay or Ap ki opper wali quote theocrcy ko show kar rahi, Ap muje opper wali quote ki refference dain "Zameen par Hakimiyat Allah Ki" agar yeh baat waqai Quid ne ki hai to Quid Dogla insan thay, Aik taraf thoecracy kay khilaf thay or dosri taraf theocracy ka parachar karta thay.


first of All ap paksitani nai ho, n ager ap ne baat theek bhi ki to ap ka tareeka bilkul theek nai hai.its not acceptable...
n ap k lie meri first n last warning hai, never ever call QUAID-AZAM with a name u called him above, wo humari shan hai,n ager koi unki shan me koi kuch kahega to us ka anjaam bura hoga...mind it...

so dont u ever dare to call him that...

this is a paksitani forum but all are welcome here,
ager hum ap ko izzat de rahe hain to ap izzat me rahe...

n ab mujhe yaha koi behes nai chaiye,nai to app ki posts delete kerdi jaegi..
both of u ( encounter n kingsalah )

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Asalamoalaikum KingSalah....
well... ab tak baat aap ker chukay ker chukay next plz aap threads m behs say gureez kerain..
other wise aapki posts delete kr dijaig...

Meray dost Jazbati honay ki koi baat nahi, Ap woh baat keh rahay hain jo Qauid ne nahi ki, Or ap apni baton ko Quiad se Mansoob kar rahay hain, Main ne ap ko Quiad e Azam ki wording dekhai hai, Quid Secular State kay Haq main thay

Yeh opper quote jo Quid kay alfaz hain jo yeh zahir kar rahay hain kay Quaid, Democratic or Secular State kay Haq main thay. Agar ap ko koi masla hai to Quiad bhai se ja kar pochain kay unno ne yeh statement kyun di, Meray khiyal main ap mazar e quiad pe chalay jaen or Baba Jee se pochain. Main woh baat kar raha hun jo Quiad ne ki or ap sirf apni hi batain kar rahay hain.

On October 11, 1947, in an address to Civil, Naval, Military and Air Force Officers of Pakistan Government, Karachi, he said:
میرے قائد پر آئندہ یہ الزام نہیں آنا چاہئے
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ap khud quiad par illzam laga rahay hain, Aik esi baat jo unno ne ki hi nahi.
Quaid ko bhi Apni Marzi ka bana lia hai, Wah bhai!
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میرے قائد کا یہی نعرہ تھاMain ne ap se behas opper wali baat se shuru ki hai, Quid Azam Theorcy kay khilaf thay or Ap ki opper wali quote theocrcy ko show kar rahi, Ap muje opper wali quote ki refference dain "Zameen par Hakimiyat Allah Ki" agar yeh baat waqai Quid ne ki hai to Quid Dogla insan thay, Aik taraf thoecracy kay khilaf thay or dosri taraf theocracy ka parachar karta thay.

میرے دوست ذرا تاریخ پاکستان کی اس خوشبوؤں سے بھری اس داستان کو پڑھ برصغیر کا مقبول ترین نعرہ یہی تھا
پاکستان کا مطلب کیا۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ لاالہ الاا للہ
یہ نعرہ برصغیر کی گلی کوچے میں لگتا تھا۔
اسی نعرہ کی بنیاد پر مولانا شبیر احمد عثمانی نے سرحد کا ریفرنڈم جیتا تھا۔
تہی نعرہ قائد اعظم رحمہ اللہ کے جلسے میں بلند ہوتا تھا
مولانا شبر احمد عثمانی نے قائد اعظم کے ساتھ مل کر جب پورے برصغیر میں مسلمانوں کو جوش دلایا تھا تو وہ یہی نعرہ تھا
اسی نعرہ کے گرد مسلمانوں کو اکھٹا کیا گیا تھا
اگر آپ اس وقت پیدا نہیں ہوئے تھے تو اپنے دادا جی سے قبر میں پوچھ کے آ
ثابت تجھے کرنا ہے کہ یہ نعرہ پاکستان کی اساس نہیں تھا
اور آپ حاکمیت کی بات کرتے ہیں جاؤ پاکستان کے آئین کو دیکھوں پاکستان کے قانون میں آج بھی سب سے بلند تر جو قانون ہے وہ حاکمت کا ہے کہ پاکستان کی سرزمین پر حاکمت صرف اللہ کی ہے صدر بعد میں ہے وزیراعظم بعد میں ہے
اور یہی حاکمیت اسلام کی بناد ہے

 
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Encounter bhai ab or behs nahi chalay gi yahan per...
zaruri nahi tha k aapko bhi esa hi kehun jesay m nay King Salah ko kaha hay..
plz yahan mahool kharb nahi kerayn.. her aik ka apna zehn hay.. .. chahay vo ghalat hay ya drust



میرے دوست ذرا تاریخ پاکستان کی اس خوشبوؤں سے بھری اس داستان کو پڑھ برصغیر کا مقبول ترین نعرہ یہی تھا
پاکستان کا مطلب کیا۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ لاالہ الاا للہ
یہ نعرہ برصغیر کی گلی کوچے میں لگتا تھا۔
اسی نعرہ کی بنیاد پر مولانا شبیر احمد عثمانی نے سرحد کا ریفرنڈم جیتا تھا۔
تہی نعرہ قائد اعظم رحمہ اللہ کے جلسے میں بلند ہوتا تھا
مولانا شبر احمد عثمانی نے قائد اعظم کے ساتھ مل کر جب پورے برصغیر میں مسلمانوں کو جوش دلایا تھا تو وہ یہی نعرہ تھا
اسی نعرہ کے گرد مسلمانوں کو اکھٹا کیا گیا تھا
اگر آپ اس وقت پیدا نہیں ہوئے تھے تو اپنے دادا جی سے قبر میں پوچھ کے آ
ثابت تجھے کرنا ہے کہ یہ نعرہ پاکستان کی اساس نہیں تھا
اور آپ حاکمیت کی بات کرتے ہیں جاؤ پاکستان کے آئین کو دیکھوں پاکستان کے قانون میں آج بھی سب سے بلند تر جو قانون ہے وہ حاکمت کا ہے کہ پاکستان کی سرزمین پر حاکمت صرف اللہ کی ہے صدر بعد میں ہے وزیراعظم بعد میں ہے
اور یہی حاکمیت اسلام کی بناد ہے

 
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