killing of a young man in cold blood (karachi)
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leken itna khena chahta hun kise ko koi haq nahe kise ki bhe jaan laine ki......aur sach kya hai aur kya jhoot yai ALLah ko pata hai.........aur insaaf daina high court ka kamm hai na kai rangers ka jinho nae bina kuch jane goli mar di jabke yai rangers ki hirasat mai tha tu yai kaam adalat par hi chorna chahiye tha na kai aise marna chahiye tha aur video tu iase banai hai jaise full prove planning ki hue ho duniya ko dhekane kai liye jaise bohat naik kaam kiya hai......KHAIR ALLAH hidayat dai hume......Ameen
bat to wohi hai na DBlast time jo two bros ko mara tha us waqt bhi kitne police wale they phir bhi sirf tamasha dekh rahe they ulta un darndo ko protection de rahe they, ab banda police wale, rangers or is mul k siyasat dan kis se kya umeed rakhey, koi system nai hai yaha jo marzi ae wo ker jate hain
these are the following questions we need answers: 1) Who was the cameraman? Why was he allowed to make this video in the first place? Why didn’t the Rangers snatched his camera away instead of permitting to continue shooting the footage even though the guy lay there bleeding?
2) Why didn’t the Rangers immediately called the ambulance or took the young man to nearest hospital? South City Hospital was just 5 minutes away from that location, yet later the guy was taken to Jinnah Hospital which is at least 15 to 20 minutes away if you drive at reckless speed.
3) Why was the claim made by the Rangers that the young man was armed and held a family hostage in the park? There was no gun with him when they shot him. Did the Rangers submitted any armament as evidence or produced the family/people/persons he held captive?
4) Even if he held someone hostage, why in the hell he would do that in a PARK and even that at Boat Basin, an area crawling with Police, Rangers, Army, Intelligence and what not due to stone throw distance away from Bilawal House?
5) Did the video only came out because the victim was brother of a journalist and he used his influence? How many more of such videos people have but don’t make it public? I clearly remember back in year 2000 when a shaken classmate asked me
You heard the news Police killed two robbers yesterday?
Yeah I did
Dude, I was there. The two guys were simply going on bike when police van hit them, got off the vehicle and showered them with bullets. It was assassination I tell you
Cameras weren’t common in those days and mobile phone was a rarity. What if someone had made a video or took pictures, how much of it would have become public?
6) The young man was later identified as Sarfaraz Shah. Will the Rangers men be named as well who were involved in the incident? Victims are often named pretty quickly, as was the rape case last year where the girl’s name was made public on a whim but the names of the accused kept secret.
7) What is the Rangers SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) in such cases and when are they allowed to open fire?
8- If Rangers claims turn out to be false, will the victims family get justice? If so, how and who will decide what justice to be given?
9) What impact will it make on Rangers continued presence in the city? What will be their role if they do stay? They no longer are seem as guardian against chaos, especially not after this incident and police is not trusted in any case.
There are too many questions, some small others not so, but I have listed down what should be broadly covered before making any assumption or passing any judgement. Nevertheless, even if the accusations against the young Sarfaraz Shah were true,
I will still condemn the shooting and subsequent killing in such a barbaric way.
2) Why didn’t the Rangers immediately called the ambulance or took the young man to nearest hospital? South City Hospital was just 5 minutes away from that location, yet later the guy was taken to Jinnah Hospital which is at least 15 to 20 minutes away if you drive at reckless speed.
3) Why was the claim made by the Rangers that the young man was armed and held a family hostage in the park? There was no gun with him when they shot him. Did the Rangers submitted any armament as evidence or produced the family/people/persons he held captive?
4) Even if he held someone hostage, why in the hell he would do that in a PARK and even that at Boat Basin, an area crawling with Police, Rangers, Army, Intelligence and what not due to stone throw distance away from Bilawal House?
5) Did the video only came out because the victim was brother of a journalist and he used his influence? How many more of such videos people have but don’t make it public? I clearly remember back in year 2000 when a shaken classmate asked me
You heard the news Police killed two robbers yesterday?
Yeah I did
Dude, I was there. The two guys were simply going on bike when police van hit them, got off the vehicle and showered them with bullets. It was assassination I tell you
Cameras weren’t common in those days and mobile phone was a rarity. What if someone had made a video or took pictures, how much of it would have become public?
6) The young man was later identified as Sarfaraz Shah. Will the Rangers men be named as well who were involved in the incident? Victims are often named pretty quickly, as was the rape case last year where the girl’s name was made public on a whim but the names of the accused kept secret.
7) What is the Rangers SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) in such cases and when are they allowed to open fire?
8- If Rangers claims turn out to be false, will the victims family get justice? If so, how and who will decide what justice to be given?
9) What impact will it make on Rangers continued presence in the city? What will be their role if they do stay? They no longer are seem as guardian against chaos, especially not after this incident and police is not trusted in any case.
There are too many questions, some small others not so, but I have listed down what should be broadly covered before making any assumption or passing any judgement. Nevertheless, even if the accusations against the young Sarfaraz Shah were true,
I will still condemn the shooting and subsequent killing in such a barbaric way.
Ye to Start he Mery Bhai...
Qanooni mahreen ka kehna he k Camera MAn ki gwahi zaroori he , khali VDO se adal k liy faisla krna possible ni...
Aur Media report k mutabik Camera Man ki jaan b khatry me he , sirf wo 2 log i , balky Rangers k aala hukam b apna image bachana chahty hain aur us k liy Camera Man ki Qurbani eni pary gi.. dosri soort me usy itna dra dhmka dea jaiy k Wo Gwahi deny se inkar kr dy.
Insaf hua ni , insaf k kathry tk lain hain..
Mukhtaran Mai ko b lga tha k insaf hoga mery sath , lakin high court k faisly k bad , supreme court ny b khud notice lea , mgr mujrmon ko chorna pra , Q k police apna kam dikha chuki thi.
Qanooni mahreen ka kehna he k Camera MAn ki gwahi zaroori he , khali VDO se adal k liy faisla krna possible ni...
Aur Media report k mutabik Camera Man ki jaan b khatry me he , sirf wo 2 log i , balky Rangers k aala hukam b apna image bachana chahty hain aur us k liy Camera Man ki Qurbani eni pary gi.. dosri soort me usy itna dra dhmka dea jaiy k Wo Gwahi deny se inkar kr dy.
Insaf hua ni , insaf k kathry tk lain hain..
Mukhtaran Mai ko b lga tha k insaf hoga mery sath , lakin high court k faisly k bad , supreme court ny b khud notice lea , mgr mujrmon ko chorna pra , Q k police apna kam dikha chuki thi.
yehi to masla hai ab... kya adalat sirf faisla sunane k lie hi hai us k bad us faisle per amal ho ya na ho kisi ko kuch pata nai chalta sab thandey per jate hain...
yeh kaaafi nai hai, in beghairat insaano k lyeeeeeeeeeeee.....
---------- Post added at 06:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:04 PM ----------
aakhir kab tak insaan chioontion ki taraah ronda jaata rahee ga..?
actuly ghalti humari he , hum hi wo sb hain , agr ye gungle ka qanoon he to hum hi jangal k janwar hain , khilaf warzi me hamesha hum pehl krty hain , jb b koi a insafi ho rahi hoti he to dosry end pr hum me hi koi aik ye kra raha hota he , hum hi boli lgaty hain qanoon ki , jb dosry end waly ziada boli lgaty hain tb hum roty hain k na insafi he.
Qanoon khud se ni tootta , hum torty hain , police jb ghapla krti he to hum me se hi koiaik usy is cheez k paisy dy raha hota he.. We Need Change.aur wo hum se shoro hoga.
Walaikum Salam Wrwb...
subhe subhe ye bad news sunne ko mela so Pura den buss disturb raha and jho chees yaad aya voh tha Sialkot wala accident...
Mai buss yahi Kahna chahungi k chalo baihuss k taur per maan lete hain yeh banda chor tha yeh bhi maan lete hain k esske paas gun tha which is not confirm ? per kiya wakiye mei on the spot yeh goli marna sahi tha? atleast us bande ko tu safaye dene ka mauka diya jata, faisla court tuk tu lejane dete Jurm sabit tu hota jub k us bande ko en logu ne gireftar kiya phir aise hero banker goli chalane ki kia need the? ager yeh loug wakiye mei itne insaf passand loug hain tu ager yahi kaam kessi Leader ka beta kerta tu kia usay bhi same saza de dete? Nahin..
Aam lougo ki jaane ek zra bhi kader nahin rakti, pata nahin kaise itne pattur dil loug hain jho bena soche samjhe kessi admi ko jaan se maar dete hain voh bhi itne be dardi se.
I have no Idea what to say Else but jho bhi hua voh sahi nahin hua kio k ek chor ki saza yeh nahin hain.
es bichare ko uski jurm se barhker saza meli. aray Gunahgaar bande ko To Allah bhi Maafi deta hain ager voh Sache dil se Astaghfaar aur tauba kare yeh tu phir bhi ek chota mota sa mujrim tha and chori kerne ka ilzam tha tu ager yeh chor tha aur ager na mara jata tu shayed yeh future mei koi lesson leta and sudher jata aur ek acha insan banta phir aise kitne loug ko marenge jub k sudharne ki umeed huti hain aur jub k unki gunnah and Jurm k lie maut ki saza nahin huti...
subhe subhe ye bad news sunne ko mela so Pura den buss disturb raha and jho chees yaad aya voh tha Sialkot wala accident...
Mai buss yahi Kahna chahungi k chalo baihuss k taur per maan lete hain yeh banda chor tha yeh bhi maan lete hain k esske paas gun tha which is not confirm ? per kiya wakiye mei on the spot yeh goli marna sahi tha? atleast us bande ko tu safaye dene ka mauka diya jata, faisla court tuk tu lejane dete Jurm sabit tu hota jub k us bande ko en logu ne gireftar kiya phir aise hero banker goli chalane ki kia need the? ager yeh loug wakiye mei itne insaf passand loug hain tu ager yahi kaam kessi Leader ka beta kerta tu kia usay bhi same saza de dete? Nahin..
Aam lougo ki jaane ek zra bhi kader nahin rakti, pata nahin kaise itne pattur dil loug hain jho bena soche samjhe kessi admi ko jaan se maar dete hain voh bhi itne be dardi se.
I have no Idea what to say Else but jho bhi hua voh sahi nahin hua kio k ek chor ki saza yeh nahin hain.
es bichare ko uski jurm se barhker saza meli. aray Gunahgaar bande ko To Allah bhi Maafi deta hain ager voh Sache dil se Astaghfaar aur tauba kare yeh tu phir bhi ek chota mota sa mujrim tha and chori kerne ka ilzam tha tu ager yeh chor tha aur ager na mara jata tu shayed yeh future mei koi lesson leta and sudher jata aur ek acha insan banta phir aise kitne loug ko marenge jub k sudharne ki umeed huti hain aur jub k unki gunnah and Jurm k lie maut ki saza nahin huti...
well sabah jitni is wakiye ki mazammat ki jae utni kam hai,
kher me ek waqia sunata hun gulistan-e-joher ka jahan me rehta hun karachi me, humare muhale me ek family thi jin k 4 bete they, jin me sare k sare hi phadey baz they, na wo log perte they na hi koi kaam kerte they, n porey are me un k phadey mashoor they, k kisi falana shaks ko mara kisi ka sir phad dia to kisi ka hath tod dia, per hota kya tha, kuch nai, un ki family me un ki mom thi n sisters thi, dad ka intekal hochuka tha, sirf second last wala bhai theek tha, jo kuch kam bhi kerta tha n perta bih tha, baki teeno bhai ek se bad ker ek they,
kher jab last year me pak gaya to pata chala k jo sab se bare se chota matlab 2nd wala bhai jo tha wo ab daketia marta hai n gun point per cell phones n lut mar kerta hai kyu k kam to wo kerta nai tha, ye baat unki mom se pocho to kehti thi k kya karun beta me khud pareshan hun, kher is bar jab me pak gaya to sab se bare bhai se mila jo mashallah se jamat me chala gaya tha jab mene pocha ye changes kese aya to us ne ro ro ker bataya k us k bhai se katal hogaya tha daketi k doran n use is lie wo 2 hafte gher se bhag gaya phir ek din uski body nalu me se mili... kher me janta to tha k is ka anjam esa hi hona tha per afsoos bht hua...
sabah aj gurbat berozgari itni hogai hai k aam ghareeb log per nai sakte, n jab kisi kam k nai rehte to wo ya to chor robbers ya daku ban jate hain ya phir bheekari, if we want to chage some thing to grass root level se change kerna hoga, sab se pehle to me kehta hun tamam siyasi party k bando se weapons le li jae, na sirf siyasi parties aj kal islamic tanzeemo k pas bhi weapons khule aam dikhne me atey hain, kya hoga phir is mulk ka ? jab kanoon ap k jeb me hoga, n asla ap k hath me, laluch gurbat n majborio se crime me hi izafa hoga... ek humara padosi mulk hai jaha aj bhi ek mega star (sanjay dutt) k pas se gun miley to usey jail hojati hai case hota hai n yaha kya hai? kabhi ap ne esi koi news suni? k gher kanoni weapon rakhne wale ko khilaf koi karwai hui...
kher is case ko bhi to dekho k shak ki bina per mara,is larke ko rangers ne...
jesa bhi hay isko goli marnay ka koi sawal hi peda nhi hota tha.... bahot afsos ki baat hay.. jb k agr us k pass pistol thee to vo to us say lay li gai phir vo tu rangers k kabu m tha phir isko fire krnay ka koi sawal ?????????
and other point k jb usko goli mari to us nay shor macha dia k hospital poncha day yaar... tu usko hospital kiyn nahi ponchaya gia.. yeh sb insaniyat k bilkul hi against hay..... rangers n pak army awam k dermyam may distance peda keri hay... or yeh bahot hi khatarnaak hay.. kisi b mulk k liye....
and other point k jb usko goli mari to us nay shor macha dia k hospital poncha day yaar... tu usko hospital kiyn nahi ponchaya gia.. yeh sb insaniyat k bilkul hi against hay..... rangers n pak army awam k dermyam may distance peda keri hay... or yeh bahot hi khatarnaak hay.. kisi b mulk k liye....
walaikum assalam
i dunno k kya hua tha is incident main aur kyun?............kon ghalat tha aur kon sahi?...........but jese sab keh rahe hain k us shaks ko hirasat main le liya gaya tha, but fir b usey yun be dardri se maar diya gaya toh i dun think k ye sab jaiz hai, especially hum muslimz k liye.......Islam main toh ALLAH aur Pyare Rasool(S.A.W) rehem karne ka hukm dete hain, even animals se b pyar karne ko kehte hain.......but aaj kal insaan k saath toh animalz se b bar k bura salook kiya jaa raha hai
koi b law is baat ki ijazat nai deta k insaanon pe apni powers ka bilawajah istemaal kiya jaye...........agar government ne public services such as; olice, rangers etc ko powers di hain toh us ka ye matlab nai k jab un ka dil chahe kisi ki b jaan le len............but aaj kal shayed insaani jaan se ziyada qeemti, wealth, status, promotion, image ko samjha jaata hai.........laanat ho esi powers pe aur positions pe jahan insaan apna emaan bhool k yun patthar dil ban jaye
for all dis, i can only say k they did wrong, absolutely wrong..............aur shayed jo kuch Pakistan main ho raha hai, itne museebten aa rahi hain ek k baad ek, toh yeh sab hamare amaal ka aur inhi sab baaton ka nateeja hai......sialkot k 2 mazloom bhaiyyon k saath jo hua tha woh toh kabi b muaf karne k aur bhoolne k qabil nai
and i would also say, k jo log is incident k witnesses hain aur jinhon ne step by step us shaks k murder ya maut ki pics lin, wo so re the kya????? apne aankhon k saamne ek jurm ya na insaafi hote dekha, toh usey roka kyun nai?? fir baad main yeh awam yeh kyun kehti hai k hamare saath na insaafi ho ri hai???? jab k ye log khud selfish aur soye hue hain toh ab in k saath is se bar k aur kya hona chaiye?............
i dunno k kya hua tha is incident main aur kyun?............kon ghalat tha aur kon sahi?...........but jese sab keh rahe hain k us shaks ko hirasat main le liya gaya tha, but fir b usey yun be dardri se maar diya gaya toh i dun think k ye sab jaiz hai, especially hum muslimz k liye.......Islam main toh ALLAH aur Pyare Rasool(S.A.W) rehem karne ka hukm dete hain, even animals se b pyar karne ko kehte hain.......but aaj kal insaan k saath toh animalz se b bar k bura salook kiya jaa raha hai
koi b law is baat ki ijazat nai deta k insaanon pe apni powers ka bilawajah istemaal kiya jaye...........agar government ne public services such as; olice, rangers etc ko powers di hain toh us ka ye matlab nai k jab un ka dil chahe kisi ki b jaan le len............but aaj kal shayed insaani jaan se ziyada qeemti, wealth, status, promotion, image ko samjha jaata hai.........laanat ho esi powers pe aur positions pe jahan insaan apna emaan bhool k yun patthar dil ban jaye
for all dis, i can only say k they did wrong, absolutely wrong..............aur shayed jo kuch Pakistan main ho raha hai, itne museebten aa rahi hain ek k baad ek, toh yeh sab hamare amaal ka aur inhi sab baaton ka nateeja hai......sialkot k 2 mazloom bhaiyyon k saath jo hua tha woh toh kabi b muaf karne k aur bhoolne k qabil nai
and i would also say, k jo log is incident k witnesses hain aur jinhon ne step by step us shaks k murder ya maut ki pics lin, wo so re the kya????? apne aankhon k saamne ek jurm ya na insaafi hote dekha, toh usey roka kyun nai?? fir baad main yeh awam yeh kyun kehti hai k hamare saath na insaafi ho ri hai???? jab k ye log khud selfish aur soye hue hain toh ab in k saath is se bar k aur kya hona chaiye?............
Agree with you atif and jho story aapne sunaye 4 bhaio k and un mei se voh ek jho Jamat join ker k sudher gaya tu us mei bhi Allah (SWA) ki Hikmat the usay Hidayat mele and sabak mela unhe k bhai k intekal se... mai aapse sahmat hu k buray kamu ka anjam bura he hota hain per un mei se kuch aise bhi hute hain jess mei sudherne ki options hute hain jaise yeh ladke ne aapni bhai k maut se sabak lekar sudherne ka rasta Ikhtiyaar kiya... tu Allah tu kuch bhi kersakta hain aur koi bhi Bande ko hidayat desakta hain yeh nahin k koi banda ager shoro se acha ho tu voh waisa he hamisha rahta hain ghalti her ek ache aur buray insan se huti hain aur kabhi koi buhut bure insan se bhi ek naik kaam hosakta hain so yeh life ka hasool hain sub kuch humare nazer deed k mutabek nahin chalti but jho Pak mei huraha hain buhut afsoos k saath kahna per raha hain k mujhay eska future mei Afghanistan ka past nazer araha hain buss fark itna hain k Afghanistan ko Russian,American ne barbad kiya and Pak mei khud pakistan k he leaders and loug bhi melaus hai... phir bhi Allah se Dua hain k es ser zameen ko voh aapne Rahmat and Berkaat se Mahfooz rakhe aur Islam ka kanoon nafiz kare jho ek falah ka raah hoga and shayed tabhi InshAllah peace and aman kayem hoga...
well said Nelli
Log itna patthar dil kyun hogae hai ese baat ka toh afsos hai
atleast camera man toh kuch karta....kisi ko inform karta
us becharay ko hospital phonchane k lie....
mujhe toh lagta hai yeh camereman bhi enhe rangers k saath tha
enme se khud kisi ne capture kiya yeh sara hadisa
aur ab drama kar rahe hai k Camera man ko nahi chorengay aur dhmakia de rahe hai....
Allah jane kia chal raha tha en sab k dimagh mein....
sahi....
sab k zahen mein yehi sab chal rahe hai....
k es larkey ka jurm itna bara nahi tha jitna ese saza diya gaya...
Bilkul....jesa bhi hay isko goli marnay ka koi sawal hi peda nhi hota tha.... bahot afsos ki baat hay.. jb k agr us k pass pistol thee to vo to us say lay li gai phir vo tu rangers k kabu m tha phir isko fire krnay ka koi sawal ?????????
and other point k jb usko goli mari to us nay shor macha dia k hospital poncha day yaar... tu usko hospital kiyn nahi ponchaya gia.. yeh sb insaniyat k bilkul hi against hay..... rangers n pak army awam k dermyam may distance peda keri hay... or yeh bahot hi khatarnaak hay.. kisi b mulk k liye....
pak mein koi bhi jaga ab khatere se khali nahi...
pata nahi Pak ka mustaqbil kia hoga....
Log Roz ek nahi hadise k darr mei hote hai...
Allah rahem kare...Ameen